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26/03/07 - 01/04/07 |
26th March
The roofing people turned up to finish off the
roof
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Today the doors and windows did not arrive
as expected.
The
fireproof plasterboard is not on the adjoining wall.
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The plumber
decided to walk off site
after a 4 hours saying that the job is far too complicated for what they want to
charge and experience (with this firm) shows him that a) they won't pay him for
all his time, and b) they won't pay him for the extra parts he's used.
"Fair enough" I said, and made him a cup of
tea before he left. Nice bloke.
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that Pete's quote, described as by them "extortionate" wasn't that bad after
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28th March am - We
have windows and doors!
The windows and doors were put in yesterday. 2
days after the latest date they gave and a week after they originally said
they'd be here.
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All in all, it's looking really rather great up
there. It's snug, warm, solid and extremely light. We're quite happy with how
it's looking. Even smiling! :)
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Outstanding points: Plumber - I'm told the same guy is coming
back on Friday. Frank told me the reason he didn't come back on Tuesday was
'because he thought he could do the job in a day. He couldn't because it's
complex so it'll take him another day and he has other jobs during the week."
Right. That doesn't exactly tie up with what the plumber told me (which was "I'm
not coming back until they will guarantee in writing that they'll pay me for
it"). From what the plumber also told me, he said 4 to 5 days... so he'll
be finished about Tuesday / Wednesday then.
Plasterer - Frank advised they'll be back
after the plumber has finished. When I asked when, he said "mid-week".. so
that'd be Wednesday then? "So why can't they come on Monday if the plumber's
finished by then?" :) I then asked who was going to put the
remaining plasterboard on (see the brickwork in the bathroom picture just
above?). He told me the plasterers. Right, so one of the reasons the plumber had
a problem was that the plasterboard wasn't on... but you want the plumber to
finish, then the plasterers to come in and plasterboard around his work?
Doesn't sound right to me - some phone calls needed there.
Electrician - "next week sometime"
Frank
said. I love these sorts of estimates. I mean, it's not as if they expected that
they needed an electrician...
Final fix bloke - banisters, doors,
trims, etc.. Don't know about this as I forgot to ask!
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Also, lots of rubbish on the scaffolding, lots
of rubbish in the back yard and the skip's full. I called the skip company who
are changing the skip today and I will be empting the back yard myself - one of
those things where it's quicker to do it yourself rather than wait for them...
Installing the landing window they've broken 3
tiles - really broken them so that the tiles aren't there. I'd like that fixed
before it rains again as the water's already staining the bathroom ceiling.
Adjusting the plan for the dates Frank's advised
brings the final date out to 7 weeks. I'm of the opinion that they "3 - 4 weeks"
stated at every sales time was just to get the customer to sign. Once in my
house... what
does it matter to them how long they take? Hmm...
Anyway - What happened today? NOTHING. :(
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29th March -
Nothing... again!
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No action today. Nothing. That's now 2 days.
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I called PM - when is the plumber coming
back? "Friday.. I think". When's the second fix? "Don't know". When are the
plasterers coming in? "Err.. next week, maybe". When's the electrician coming in
"after the plasterers". I asked him why he didn't know when these teams were
returning and he said it was 'difficult' because sometimes they had problems
whilst doing the tasks and it delayed them. Well can I have SOME dates even if
they slip? "Ummm, it'll all be next week"
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I
mentioned some basics of project management but words like
'dependencies' seem to vex him and I ran out of energy.. I simply
thought I'd leave it until tomorrow and see if the plumber turned up.
You know - I get about as much sense from asking the questions to my cat
than asking the project manager.... but at least the cat looks cute.
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This... is Molly. Cuter
than the project manager and therefore more useful!
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30th March - Wow -
some action!
Other builders
find some convenient space to make my new windows (Victorian house - the originals
are rotten)
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The soil pipe's now the whole way in. Looks
horrid, but it's that or a macerator
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Last night
one of Sarah's guests put her foot on a nail walking across this lot (to
have
a cigarette in the garden). The company tell me it's "my" rubbish,
but even though
I disagree, trying to get anything but a smarmy "we reeeeally care" is too difficult -
so I moved it to the skip myself...
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Okay, so it took me 3 hours of my time, but to have my
back garden back after 3 weeks was worth it..
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And a close up of some of the skip. It is bad of them to claim that this
is my rubbish and not their responsibility to clear...

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Also last
night, Sarah got an electric shock from a loose live wire. Not quite
sure where
it came from, but it must have dropped down.
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As you can see - no attempt was made to
isolate it or make it safe.
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I was going
to tape it up myself, but after a phone call wondered why I was letting
them treat me like this. I telephoned Frank and told him to get an
electrician here by the end of the day or I was getting a solicitor onto it.
Sure enough, within the hour, both him
and an electrician was here (and later a man
to clear up the rubbish I'd already cleared up..!).
Once he was here and we were talking he
asked why Sarah and her guests went out to the garden, over the debris,
inferring that one would have to be "mad" and asked if perhaps they were
drunk. He seemed to miss the point that it was my house and it's not too
much to ask for access to the back garden any time I want to... but I
told him the answer, that she was wanted a cigarette and I wouldn't
allow it in my house.
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The electrician went to work and was amazed that it'd been
left like it was and isolated and tied up
the cables.
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He also was amazed that there was no lights
on the landing pointing out how easy it
was to fall down. I'd complained
about that one before, but nothing happened. The
electrician spent 10
minutes putting a temporary light in and I realised I'd been letting
them take the p*ss.
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wasn't happy with and again he apologised. He told me how the project was on track
as I told him he's slipping by 100% of the original time and there is
far too much space of no work going on. He apologised.
I then asked him about holding in the
fireproofing insulation with chickenwire (something the inspector had
been insistent about). He knew about this, and said how it's insulation
that is held in with chickenwire to keep it up should a fire bring the
ceiling below down.. and that the building inspector had signed it off.
"That's my understanding too", I replied.
So why, when the plumber has the
floorboards up to put the rad heating in, is there no chickenwire
holding the insulation in? "Impossible" he told me. "Absolutely no
way". Frank has a habit of giving reassurances without researching them
first... I asked "shall we go and have a look?"...
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From this is would appear that areas the
guys had taken pictures of (click)
and shown the inspector the areas they did do.
Frank said "I need
to make a private phone call" and then came back and told me
(quote) "I am very sorry but the guys have
pulled a fast one on us" and then told me all the floorboards
need to come back up again.
Right, so I think we need to get the
inspector back in and advise him these guys have been cutting corners.
Corners regarding fireproofing and my safety? Hmmm... what
other corners could have been cut?
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He did come up with an excuse for the
builder team cutting corners on the insulation: "we're
really busy at the moment and therefore it's not possible to guarantee
quality teams".
I've already established that Frank is a
waste of space, but if I did take what he said seriously I could
translate it as:
- a) you knew it would be below standard before you started, but
- b) didn't tell me I
would get a poor job, and
- c) didn't discount it
because it would be poor, not to mention
- d) asking me if I
wanted to wait for a good job

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The electrician and plumber
working.
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The plumber
fixing the shower
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The heating and water pipes coming down into the main house
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Whilst Frank
was here I told him again that I was less than happy with the progress,
or rather lack of it.
I explained that the main reason that we
went with their company was the speed. The salesman told us 3 to 4 weeks
and they could do this because they had their own specialist team - no
subcontractors. He said this allowed them to ensure a team followed the one
before without delay and as they knew how long all the teams took to do their
bit so there was no waiting around.
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However... all we had seen were subcontractors and
the only people who work directly for the firm appear to be John the MD,
the salesman and Frank the project manager.
The builder / fit crew
is a subcontractor, the electrician (which took a while to find is a sub
contractor), and the plumber is a sub contractor. I don't know about
the second fix people or the plasterers, but that's not what was sold.
Frank's reply was "we do use sub
contractors, but they are specialist teams and only work for us". Right,
'we don't use subcontractors' followed by 'we do use subcontractors'...
can't see the problem there?

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Their website
backs the "no subcontractor" line up quite clearly..
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1st April - TV aerial
and air conditioning
Putting this
40kg air conditioner on the wall when there's scaffolding is rather
easy. Doing the same job with a ladder is rather impossible!
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My £30 TV aerial from B&Q (an aerial company wanted £250)
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See - works perfectly well :)
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Week
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02/04/07 - 08/04/07
1 week over |
2nd April - some
telephone calls
| I had a call this morning asking if I could pay
the balance of the last payment. The payments agreed were:
1. Deposit £2,000 - PAID
2. Commencement £6,000 - PAID
3. Floor level: £7,000 - PAID
3. Dormer level: £7,000 - PAID
4. Roofed in £7,000 - £4,000 PAID /
£3,000 OUTSTANDING
5. Second fix: £1,500 - NOT YET DUE
6. Completion: £500 - NOT YET DUE
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They asked for the roofed in payment last week,
but as the roof wasn't finished (covered by a tarpaulin), windows and doors
weren't in, they hadn't broken through and the stairs weren't in, I withheld
saying that I didn't regard it has being "roofed in". When I came home on 27th
March and this work had been done, I sent the majority through, of £4,000. I
withheld the rest as I saw a lot of other work that there was little appetite to
get done and wanted to keep ahead of the curve so I could employ my own should
they not return / take too long (we're already 100% over what was agreed).
At this moment it's not looking too good
and I'm getting suspicious. Their "3 to 4 weeks" hasn't happened and
although they tell me there isn't much else there and it'll be done, I'm
not comfortable.
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and was holding payment back. I would make some calls and come back to him.
However, he should bear in mind that I don't want the original builders back,
nor the electrician, who despite Frank assuring me that "absolutely
categorically" nothing happened, the police were called.. so something
did happen. Don't care about the details or assurances, I want someone else.
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I spoke to the building inspector and told him
about the fireproofing and how it would appear that the builders had 'pulled a
fast one'. The building inspector was most annoyed by this and wanted to return
to site to look at the rest of the work. I questioned whether he had actually
seen the modified bearing plates spreading the load of the main steels and he
said he had not, but taken the word of the builders. The inspector advised he
would inspect these, the rest of the structure and the fireproofing assuming
nothing. As the conversion had not reached the 'second fix' stage, he said there
was no problem in requesting certain areas be uncovered. He would call Frank.
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instructed by Frank). He explained his side of the 'altercation' (that Frank
said didn't happen!) with one of my neighbours on 16th March. From hearing his
version of events, it did sound like my neighbour was being rather
"unreasonable", and not only should the police not have been called, but it
sounds like they would apportion a fair bit of blame on the neighbour. With him
being a Jehovah Witness (really), his version of events sounded quite plausible.
Happy to let that one go and him continue with the work. I asked him when he
thought he would be returning. End of next week was the answer... Well, I don't
like the date, but at least I have one!
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I spoke to my solicitor and told him what was
going on. He said that despite what the contract said, I was within my rights to
withhold what was 'reasonable' for the outstanding work. Going through the
numbers I thought that £3,000 might not be reasonable, but then again should the
bearing plates be incorrect and some of the structure have to come down, it
wasn't in my favour at all.
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forward:
- Once the building inspector satisfies
himself that the work so far has been done correctly (ie. once any
amendments he requires have been carried out), I will transfer the remaining
£3,000 on the same day.
- I provide (by email that evening) a
snagging list of items so far (with the express statement that this
is not a final snagging list) containing items that I have and some more
that I haven't yet told him about
- He provides me, in writing, with a date by
which each of those points will be addressed, and the outstanding work on
the conversion
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He agreed that was a reasonable approach and
happy to proceed on that basis. He also confirmed the building inspector had
called him, they would uncover areas of the structure he had asked and would
then attend site.
Apart from that - no work was done today
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3rd April - nothing
No visit, no update, no phone call - not a
sausage!
Who knows what's going on..?
4th April - I wrote a
letter
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conversation on Monday (and Friday) he was going to get another team in to lift
the floorboards and expose the bearing plates meanwhile I would itemise the list
of snagging things so far. Today I've had the same radio silence as I did
yesterday. I tried calling him, but it wasn't answered. I left a message, but no
reply (yet?).
I did put into writing the snagging list so far
and sent that through:
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Frank
As discussed on the telephone, here is
a list of items that I believe are outstanding at this stage and would
like addressed. This is not a complete list as the second fix has not
been started but by confirming my snagging list so far we can ensure
expectations are aligned.
Rubbish
There is a significant amount
of rubbish at the top of the scaffolding that needs removing There is
some rubbish on the roof of the dormer Old tiles are stacked on top of
the chimney
Roof
There are some broken (and some missing) tiles: - on the front of the
roof - on the dormer rear - on the rear house roof where some someone
has stood installing the stairway window. (Here there is a cluster of
broken tiles that lets rain in, and has stained the room below
(bathroom)) - on the rear house roof where the scaffolding has pushed
against the tile The lead flashing between the dormer roof and the
chimney is not weatherproof due to a gap, although it appears work here
is complete. The soffit/fascia is not complete on the left and right
side of the dormer The dormer guttering is not complete The house
guttering under the dormer has debris in The rear house roof's guttering
has cigarette butts in
Floorboards
Although some of the floorboards have been replaced since my last
comment, there are still floorboards that flex too much where they have
been cut in a position away from a joist.
Plasterboard
I have had the preparation work inspected and have the following
comments:
The plasterboard at the top of the
stairwell has only been fixed on one side and in the middle
resulting in a significant amount of flex. No noggins exist under
this to secure it correctly. Should one plaster on a board that is
not correctly secured, it will later flex and crack. Please secure
the boards correctly before plastering.
The angled plasterboard between the
stairwell and the (old) ceiling is only secured at the bottom,
resulting in a great deal of flex. Please see above comment.
Plasterboard must be fixed securely before plastering. Please note
there are no noggins or obvious place to secure it at present.
The timber remaining around the old
loft hatch should be removed before plastering as plaster placed
over this will crack as the timber expands and contracts between
seasons.
The new ceiling line implied by the
plasterboard is unacceptable. There are too many angles and levels,
and it looks very unprofessional. I would expect the new ceiling
line to either follow the line of the current ceiling or to follow
the outline of the bottom the new landing.
No plasterboard has been placed on
the underneath of the majority of the new staircase. Will this be
done by the second fix team?
Stairs
The stairs are not flush against the wall as they are butted against a
skirting board at the bottom. The installers advised that the plasterer
would be able to cover this, however my plasterer who inspected the
preparation work advised me that this is most unusual and not what
plasterers should do. I require the stairs to be butted flat and true
against the wall and not to have this gap (a result of saving a few
minutes of removing the board) to be filled in.
Bathroom
The extractor/vent has not yet been fitted. Will this be done by the
second fix team?
Two of the shower jets are not in the
position marked along the wall. Please can they be moved up to the line
(5 minutes work - will involve 4 new holes to be drilled).
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Plasterer - please can we have a date when they will start and
expected duration
Electrician - Is this a dependency on
the plasterer? Please can we have a start date and expected duration
Second fix - Please confirm if this is
a dependency on the plasterer, and / or electrician. Please can we have
a start date and expected duration.
Building inspection certificate - Will
you be arranging this once the second fix is complete. Could you supply
an approximate date please?
Scaffolding - Previously I was advised
that this comes down as a last item, once the sign off has been achieved
and no further outside work is required. Please can you confirm.
In addition, could you please confirm
what date you expect the work will be done to uncover the bearing plates
and fireproofing for the building control inspector's visit?
Regards
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respond to this (and advise of the building inspector inspection points), then I
think I'll contact my solicitor again. This time wasted of doing nothing and no
updates is not funny.
Anyway, what happened to John and his "I'll deal
with it from here on" line? Must ask about that.. oh, and go on an
assertiveness course!
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5th April - I got a reply!
| I got an emailed reply saying that Frank and
John would like a meeting with me on Tuesday 10th April to discuss my letter. I
called him (Frank) back and said that I didn't see the point of taking further
time off work for a meeting to discuss what's outstanding. As they aren't
disputing any of the list of outstanding items I detailed, I want them to just
get on and do it.
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I pointed out again my frustration with the lack of action and
agreed a new deadline by which all works must be completed. Should this be
breached I will get my own people
to do it and adjust the balance accordingly.
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That deadline was 2 weeks away, of Friday 20th
April. This was chosen as it was more than enough time to complete the
outstanding work, and would then be 8 weeks since the start - double the stated
timescale when I agreed to go ahead with this work. Frank agreed that that was a
fair and reasonable time and I told him I would be confirming the conversation
in writing, which I did:
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Frank
To confirm our conversation this afternoon in response to your email, we
are unwilling to take further time off work for a meeting unless
absolutely necessary and from your email we don't understand why we need
to be there.
Regarding the points of Rubbish / Roof / Plasterboard / stairs, you
previously said this would be resolved by the 'Second Fix Team' and the
purpose of detailing them in the email was, as agreed, merely to ensure
you had them on your list.
Regarding the fireproofing installation and bearing plate inspection, we
discussed this on Monday where I said I was unhappy with this team and
if I had to wait a week for another crew then so be it. It is
disappointing for you to come back after a week advising that you wish
to bring the same crew back, however I accept the need to be fair and
allow them to go through the work with you as employers.
I understand that both yourself and John Bell will be present when the
crew returns on Tuesday and the only work they will do is to uncover the
bearing plates/steel ends and lift the floorboards to expose the
fireproofing insulation. You will then arrange for the building
inspector to attend and will use a different crew to perform what work
is necessary to satisfy the regulations. After Tuesday the original crew
will not return and you confirmed you will obtain the house keys from
them.
We discussed the result of the uncovering of the steels and that this
may bring about some complication, however you believe it may only be a
few extra days to resolve. If resolving this requires temporarily
pinning the ceiling of a bedroom below, you agreed to make good any
damage to that room as a result (specifically the clause in the contract
about plaster damage of rooms below will not apply).
As the work has dragged on with no progress this week and only the
plumber last with no reason we find acceptable, we now wish to draw a
line and set a final date. One that we believe is reasonable is 2 weeks
away, Friday 20th April. This is 8 weeks since the start of the work,
which, misaligned expectations or not is 200% of the original duration
we believed. After this point we will instruct our own contractors to
complete the work and adjust the outstanding balance accordingly. I'm
sure you will agree 2 weeks to complete what is a small amount of work
left is quite reasonable.
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6th April - Nothing
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builders didn't come, I decided to put the inside unit of the air con
up today. No problem as Pete had already prepared the hole. Unfortunately reading
the instructions meant the unit needed more space at its top than I had
estimated, so the hole was too high. The other issue was that the unit I bought
didn't have the easy coupling with flexible tubes. Instead it had copper pipes
(that don't want to bend) and manual connections.
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Manhandling the pipes through the hole was
tricky but we're sure we did it without kinking them. Connecting it up to the
outside unit was a step-by-step process, but with the detailed instructions, was
ok. Firing up the unit and running through the test cycle, all was ok.
Nice
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09/04/07 - 15/04/07 |
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9th April - Nothing
| Nothing from the company, but the air con
stopped working though. The code "E4" meant it was low on gas. The company that
sold it got a techie bloke to call me. He said without question I would have
kinked the pipes.. therefore not under warranty. Okaaay, so I'll pay, when can
you come and fix it? Not for 2 weeks. Ouch! Any other air con companies that'll
look at it? Not really, it seems they shy away if it's been a DIY install.
Ah. Problem. And it's inaccessible without
scaffolding, that'll probably be down before I can get an engineer in.
Ummm....
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10th April - I get unexpected visitors at 7:30am
| After saying that I wasn't prepared to take
further time off work for a meeting with no agenda (ie. there were no disputed
items), John (with the 2 builders in tow) turned up at a time they knew I would
be in. Actually I was in the shower at the time and I found it quite an invasion
of privacy. Had they asked to come round at that time I would have either been
prepared or have requested they come round later. Before I knew what was
happening / could object / could state my displeasure, they were past my g/f and
upstairs.
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By the time I had dried and got some clothes on
John had had a good look round and seemed to have prepared an angle of attack.
"I know you didn't want to meet with me today and know you have to get to work,
but if I could have a word" he started, oblivious to the fact he'd already
showed little regard to "customer satisfaction" he keeps on about by turning up
at such a time unannounced.
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"Right, I've had a look and if you want me to
tell the boys to take the floorboards up then I will, but that's £400 of
floorboards that'll be ruined and I'll have to charge". The look on my face was
one of surprise as the taxi turned up beeping it's horn.
"You see the boys tell me they have done it and
they inspector's signed it off, so we've done everything correctly and shouldn't
be out of pocket, but if you want me to ruin £400 of floorboards, then I will".
Taxi beeping again. G/f nagging to go
(it was her birthday and we were intending to have a nice breakfast in
town before the day started).
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B*llox! This is
clearly going to be a problem - he's squirming, has got me in a rush and I need
to take time to deal with it. My g/f got in the cab as I remembered to stay calm
and ensure my reply sticks to just the facts.... namely:
- Your Project Manager has said that the
insulation is not in there and this is an unfinished piece of work
- The area which it seems they haven't done is
only about 50% of the area, not the whole lot
- You don't need to lift all the floorboards,
only one per joist run as this will allow you to look under and along
- You don't even need to lift one floorboard
per run, only cut a whole in it
- The floorboards have many similar holes cut
in it where either the inspector has asked to see after it's been fixed down
or the plumber has cut them to lay pipes, after it's been laid down. Clearly
this is normal to your builders / plumber so another few holes is not going to
make any difference.
- Those floorboards do not cost £400
- Since telling the inspector of this, he has
un-signed off the insulation
- Your problem
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happy, so I'll lift them" and we went up to where he got the guys to cut a hole.
This revealed that there was some insulation in, held up with chicken wire. The
builder gave me a look of "see, we haven't done anything wrong" and to that I
pointed out that I had spotted something that hadn't looked right, posed the
question to the Project Manager who looked then said (quote) "yep, they've
pulled a fast one". John replied with the standard answer, "he's new so that's
okay" and I asked to then take up the floor in the bathroom. The reply to that was "we haven't
done the bathroom yet, or the area to the radiators because the plumber asked us
not to until he'd laid his pipes", and they'll
be done by second fix".
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I then went through some of the remaining items
with John. The plasterboard : "Oh it's not yet finished". The awful ceiling line
: "Don't you want it like that?". The rubbish : "we can get that removed". The
tiling : "Will be dealt with". The soffits / guttering : "will
be done". When
will the remaining tradesmen be here : "Plasterer Tues/Wed, Electrician 4 days
after. Final fix after that". I asked what he thought of my 2 week deadline and
his reply "Not a problem".
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an air of professionalism, confidence, "nothing's a problem" attitude and that
my concerns have been unfounded. I can see how he's built up such a successful
company! He might be right, that I have been overly concerned and they've done a
good job.... or he might be dodgy, be doing a substandard job and telling me
it's ok; but speaking to him I come away with the feeling it's the former,
whilst at the back of my head suspicious it could be the latter. The "£400 extra
if you want the floorboards to come up" rings a big bell for me.
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Anyway, after speaking to my solicitor before
about the legalities behind withholding payment, it's a "fair & reasonable"
approach and I can only really withhold for how much it would cost to do the
items that are outstanding, so I figured I couldn't really justify holding onto
this £3k (of the last £7k payment due) if I have no evidence that something's
not done.. I sent it through on a same day transfer and called John to tell him.
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| When I came home at the end of the day,
the rubbish on the top of the scaffolding was in the skip (now full) and they
had swept inside the loft floorboards.
Right then, so they left pretty much straight
after me..... All rather a pointless episode really.
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11th April - Nothing
| Well, when I say nothing, someone came and took
the skip away (oh, and moved my g/f's car (just by a few metres, probably to get
it out of the way of the skip, which I said they could do if need be) - to me
this means someone with the keys was in the house... so they didn't just call
the skip company to remove it. They were in the house and didn't do anything...
well, that I
could see.)
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12th April - Nothing
| I thought the plasterer was going to be in
today? I couldn't be arsed to call anyone to find out. They're clearly poor at
scheduling their contractors and I would expect them to give me more
reassurances which are not met.
I've set a deadline, which they've agreed and
I'm going to stick to it.
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The other reason I'm backing off on the chasing
is I'm on holiday for 2 weeks from today...
I haven't told them as I suspect they
will back off more, but I also figure they don't need to know. Pete (the local builder) is back from his holiday tomorrow and has enough work to be in
pretty much every day so will keep an eye out.
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| The thought of having it finished when I get
back is superb. Well, when I say finished, that's my contract with that company
finished. I still have the decorating and air conditioning stuff to sort.
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13th April - Nothing
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